Ridiculous! is all I have to say about the whole Orange-and-Lemons-futile-whitewash-attempts fiasco. In an article by Jojo Panaligan for the Manila Bulletin dated October 16 2005, the band is “saddened” because all the hoopla about them copying a foreign song is “unfair”. But they do admit that the “guitar intro part” was “perhaps” a basis for inspiration for the Pinoy Big Brother theme song but added that most New Wave songs began with a guitar melody. Huh? Anong ibig sabihin non? That all guitar intros back then sounded alike? Does that lame belief give them the license to copy another song’s intro? They go on saying that “Chandeliers” was the “peg” for “Pinoy Ako” but wasn’t derived from that or any other song. What?? Can you spell R-E-D-U-N-D-A-N-T??
What’s even funnier is that in another article of the same date by Kate Villagomez published in Manila Bulletin, the boneheads admit that “We did make it Carish”. “Chandeliers” is a song by a British band The Care, composed of Paul Simpson and Ian Broudie. So, silly me, “Pinoy Ako” was NOT derived from “Chandeliers” but the latter served as a “peg” and they made it “Carish”. Yet at the band’s discussion group, they claim that “they were just waiting to be noticed by Simpson and his camp”. Asked if they acknowledged the Care (for using “Chandeliers” for “Pinoy Ako”), vocalist Clem Castro argues “E bakit kami magpapaalam? Magpasalamat pa nga ang The Care at pinasikat namin ang kanta nila.” Kapal!! Let’s try that again:
“Pinoy Ako” was NOT derived from “Chandeliers” but the latter served as a “peg” and they made it “Carish” and they want The Care to thank them for making their song famous!
HUH??
As of the above article’s publishing, Giselle Roque (Villagomez’s informant) had informed Paul Simpson (who is a friend of hers) and his recording label about Orange and Lemons’ blatant copyright violation.
As if things couldn’t get any more confusing, Jocelyn Valle of the Philippine Daily Inquirer writes an article “Orange you glad they’re no lemons?” (October 19 2005) where the same Clem Castro quips, “We have no malicious intent. In fact, we’re not even aware that such songs (“Chandeliers”) already exist.†Is Clem suffering from short term memory loss or is he just plain dumb? What is he up to??
“Pinoy Ako” was NOT derived from “Chandeliers” but the latter served as a “peg” and they made it “Carish” and they want The Care to thank them for making their song famous but didn’t know it exists!!
Oranged and Lemons makes me sick in the stomach and utterly ashamed to be a Filipino. These incoherent crackheads give us a bad name and should be STOPPED at all costs! Nakakahiya sila!
Never heard “Chandeliers”? Here’s your chance!!
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November 1st, 2005 at 12:32 pm
Nagmalaki pa nga in a recent Manila Bulletin article!
Ito, basahin ninyo kasi iba talaga ang nagagawa ng PERA!
Sabi eh good sales of that single has vindicated them!
Good sales of album perceived by Orange and Lemons as vindication [ Cache ]
Manila Bulletin – 10/27/2005 12:51:02 AM
http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2005/10/27/ENTR2005102747733.html
November 14th, 2005 at 6:21 am
Just some rebuttals for fans-in-denial all over the web: This thing is being discussed and OnL is being taken to task not because of “crab mentality†or “inggit.†The fact remains that the song (whose spirit and lyrics were provided by a lyricist & not OnL) is about being Pinoy and about proudly proclaiming what we are capable of. Hence, a lot of us patriots cannot take this thing sitting down…We know we are more than great copycats and innovators/samplers! We have a lot of talent and we want this to shine through! We want to be recognized for who we really are and what we can do! We don’t want to sell ourselves short by clamming up for the sake of so-called “peace†and let ourselves be represented by a song – a band – an image – that grossly misrepresents who we proudly are and what we can really do! Clamming up and “settling†for less than what we deserve has been our sin for so long…We don’t want Pinoy music, which makes up a large part of our identity, and its industry to be a macrocosm of our political landscape and social suffering now do we?
We have a lot of superb, young bands with excellent material just waiting for the proper break. It’s just a shame that the influential PBB media machinery was used on a project that sells us short. (Note that I said “project†and not “bandâ€. Pinoys are forgiving to a fault and OnL will surely get a 2nd, 3rd, 4th chance.) Whoever ABS gets to sing (not even compose) the PBB theme song will influence Filipinos far & wide, they’ll be a household name. Recall just how far OnL has gone because of this project…Now imagine, sitting in their place now, another of your favorite OPM bands who are still not getting the recognition they deserve. Now you see what I mean? There are a lot of them out there… I’m not saying OnL is not deserving. It’s simply that the resources could have gone further and done more good had it been handled better. And we are voicing this out so that PEOPLE LEARN THEIR LESSONS & NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKES.
On the more technical side: It is not sampling. And even if The Care were merely sampled, all the more it requires artist credits. And it cannot be just “similarâ€, “inspired by†or “pegged on†Chandeliers either, because of the uncanny similarities in chords, notes, and arrangements of guitars/banduria, drums and bass lines. Neither can it pass the “7 chord progression rule†(which itself is debatable). The similarities overwhelm that rule. It’s not just the intro, it’s not just the verses. The chorus, contrary to Clem’s claims, seems the same. And it’s not hard at all to sing Pinoy Ako’s lyrics to Chandeliers instrumentation (contrary again to Clem’s claims). The main melodies are identical. And as I found out, even Pinoy Ako’s bridge has the same chords/melody as Chandelier’s coda. And if you still don’t believe me, listen to this mash-up I made, a response to OnL’s challenge to match the two songs note for note – an unedited Chandeliers panned mostly on the left channel, running side by side with Pinoy Ako on the right channel spliced to match respective stanza-chorus-coda/bridge counterparts part-per-part:
http://media.putfile.com/pinoychandelierstayo
Tell me if you still think that is not the same song with different lyrics sung to fit?
November 14th, 2005 at 2:11 pm
Both of you I agree! The song should be stopped! Must be stopped!
November 15th, 2005 at 1:41 am
ONL has not only lied to its teeth but as far as I’m concerned, they are worst than rapists! They have not only raped Care out of their royalties but there they are bragging to the whole world that they are bonafide and certified thieves. Translations sa mga hindi makaintindi, ni rape na, ninakawan pa!
November 17th, 2005 at 11:00 am
what is Sony BMG, it’s distributor and Warner Music, the copyright owners doing about the whole thing? Riding through the issue? Someone please start writing these labels or what is PARI doing about it?
November 20th, 2005 at 2:50 am
there should be a signature ban against ONL and the likes of this people giving the Philippine Music Industry a bad legacy!
November 20th, 2005 at 8:46 am
Oi! basahin ninyo itong blogspot na pag-aari mismo ng moderator nila sa orangeandlemons@yahoogroups.com pati yung explanation ng ONL na misquoted daw sila at PINAGDIDIINAN PA in so many words na TALAGANG MAGPASALAMAT SI BROUDIE AT SIMPSON ngayon eh hinahalungkat na sila ng mga high school at mga bata dahil sa PBB theme song…http://manontheside.blogspot.com…masdan niyo rin kung papano sumagot yung moderator at ako ay SPEEEEEECHLESSSSSSSSSSS!
November 21st, 2005 at 10:27 pm
From: “lemon_juice2000″
Date: Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:46 am
Subject: hello folks! =)
I personally see the talks bet “Pinoy ako” and “Chandeliers” a
healthy one. Talks between “inspired” and “ripped-off” worthy of
discussion. But like other opinion-based issues (e.g. guilty ba si
erap?, mas magaling ba c vilma kesa kay nora?).. this one would
always be an open-ended discussion. Naturally because the bottomline
is always goin to be based on your own opinion. Yun nga lang, some
people offer their opinion, some immediately pass judgement.
Whatever the case may be, it’s all good in my book. Taken
constructively and all in good light.
Ang mahalaga lang talaga sa banda ngayon is to straighten the
facts.. and then move on. Let’s do this shall we?
The Resemblance of Pinoy Ako and Chandeliers -
A few days ago, i listened to Chandeliers and tried singing the
lyrics of Pinoy Ako in it. I found it hard na pagsabayin. Both songs
were submitted to authorities in the music scene and were subjected
for analysis and have concluded — Pinoy Ako and Chandeliers are two
different songs. The same with the stand of the band and the labels
concerned. There are elements na malapit sa isa’t isa and the mood
of the song are on the same line.. but the songs were still
considered different from each other.
On a personal note.. I enjoy both songs.
Product of pressure? -
Clem once used this term to describe the circumstances and the time
frame with which ONL was required to finish the song for PBB. But
the mood in the studio when we were recording the song was
completely different. We were working well and enjoying the process
much. I remember all of us agreeing to “ok lads.. lets jam this one
and lets hear wat wud come out naturally from us”. The sound that
you hear therefore is a mish-mash of the sounds of artists whom we
have listened to for so long now — not just Care, but would include
The Beatles (harmonies), The Smiths (guitar fills and licks), APO
and Rey Valera (the baritone and falceto (tama ba sfelling nito?
wahehe) approach on the vocals).
Was there a denial with your knowledge of Care and their songs? -
None whatsoever. We have always been open with regards to our
influences and the musical genre that we “supposedly” belong to –
Indie pop-rock bordering on new wave–. A publication quoted Clem
saying “In fact, we were not even aware that such songs exist.”.. It
was Clem referring to songs like “Happy Hour” of the Housemartins
(in comparison to A beginning of something wonderful) and a certain
N’Sync song (hehe) (in comparison to The Nerve).
Arrogance? -
ONL was gravely misquoted.. most especially Clem. I feel for him. He
was never irked or irritated when asked about the issue (in casual
conversations, text messages or formal interviews). He was dealing
with inquiries well.. and so were the three of us in ONL. We have
never bragged about anything.. simply proud of the things we have
accomplished as a band and how we managed to stay the same.
We were quoted saying..”eh bakit kami magpapaalam? Pasalamat pa nga
ang The Care dahil pinasikat namin ang kanta nila”..
..actually what i said was “We wer quite happy to share din with
you, that a number of listers in the ONL egroup dug
out “chandeliers” and the music of CARE after reading about this
issue.. guess what?.. They are now loving the music of Paul Simpson
and the rest of the crew. =) kakatuwa din un. Imagine high school
and college students of today gettin aware and humming the music of
old that we all learned to love? cool.”.
Layo noh? =)
There are a couple more quotes or misquotes that was greatly
misinterpreted but please do understand that I don’t wanna dwell in
this anymore. Thanks.
Does ONL ever get tired of explaining this issue? -
We don’t mind explaining our side. But we’d prefer not to dwell in
it. It’s been a month or two since we’ve discussed this with friends
and some people in the scene. ONL has moved on. The song has served
its purpose for the PBB show. Right now we are more preoccupied with
new projects. Exciting time for us.
It is a fact ladies and gentlemen that there are people who have set
their minds and conclusion regarding the issue. It was never an
intent on our part to justify ourselves and convince them to change
their views otherwise. We just share our side. We respect each and
everyone’s take on the matter.
Is there anything to learn from all this?
Of course. Just the same as with anything that happens to anyone. We
are a young band. Great room for improvement. We are simple
musicians. We write songs and play them for people to hear. Either
you like us or hate us or be completely indifferent. What matters to
us greatly is we are able to get the music across.
What is there to expect from ONL?
Please do watch ASAP Mania this Sunday. We’ll be launching a
repackaged Strike Whilst The Iron Is Hot album. This one will
include a bonus cd/vcd containing — the music videos of Hanggang
Kailan and Heaven Knows, Naked versions of Hanggang Kailan and
Heaven Knows, a new song called Abot Kamay, 2 Versions of Blue Moon
and Pinoy Ako (label’s decision to include this one ser noel wahehe
=)..)
Strike album is still the collection of our 12(13) tracks.. may
bonus CD lang ‘tong repackage. It so happened that ONL was blessed
with a number of projects in the past few months that we all decided
to put it all in one bonus CD. I think it’s neat.
Stay tuned for the airplay of ABOT KAMAY this weekend or early next
week in radio stations and the airing of a commercial/music video
that comes along with the song to be aired starting Nov.6..
See you all around. Thanks for reading. =)
mcoy
****ITO ANG POSTE NG ONL SA EGROUP, ang yabang!
November 21st, 2005 at 10:28 pm
sabi nga ng friend ko na si Melinda:
all in all ang ibig sabihin ay ganito: salamat po sa inyong mga comments, salamat sa care kasi nagamit namin ng walang paalam yung kanta nila at PINAGKAPERAHAN PA NAMIN.
Dito sa pilipinas eh ok lang mang-rip off ng kanta kasi walang mangyayari. ONL rules! Bilhin nyo ang cd namin. ONL kami, kami ang isa sa pinakamaiinit ng banda ngayon kaya walang pwedeng pumalag! Mabuhay at ipagpatuloy ang pagnanakaw at panggagaya sa mga poreyn na kanta kasi walang hustisya dito sa bayan natin.
November 23rd, 2005 at 8:23 am
Kasalanan din ng Warner o ng Sony iyan kasi pinabayaan nila o………….nagpabayad sila dito tapos di binigyan ng royalties ang Care! Pero, ang balita eh demandado daw ang ONL? Tutuo kaya?
CHIKA! MABUHAY KA!
January 26th, 2006 at 4:17 am
funny. they say it doesn’t sound anything like chandeliers. well, that’s just funny. parang denial stage ba….?
hmm, pare/mare, walang mangyari 2 u if u can’t/wont hear it anyways. it’s pinoy ako, it’s chandeliers. hehehe. it’s orange and lemons, it’s oranges and lemons, it’s the care.
hahaha! fools.
March 1st, 2006 at 5:44 am
Wait lang peeps. Care lang ang name ng band, hindi “The Care”. Yung Philippine release lang nila yung “The Care” must’ve been a typo dito hehehe pero all their other albums/complilations refer to them as Care. FYI lang.